Man attacks debt; kicks debt’s ass

You’ve gotta check out this half-hour interview I did with Adam Baker of Man vs. Debt. There’s a reason I interviewed Baker, and it had a lot to do with the fact that the guy decided that he was overburdened with debt and resolved to rid himself and his family of it, so they made a plan… and that plan was to travel the world like they’d always wanted to.

Who does that? Who decides that the way to DECREASE SPENDING and LIVE MINIMALLY and CONQUER DEBT is to TRAVEL THE FUCKING WORLD? Nobody does that. A normal person would eat Ramen noodles for every meal and live in a crappy apartment.

Baker (as he’s known) and his family are living proof that “living as you want” and “decreasing debt and consumerist behavior” are not mutually exclusive. You can live within your means — or below them, so that you can save or dig out of your credit card hole — while living your ideal life. It’s not an either/or situation. You can have both… once you get clear on what you want.

Here… have a listen:




(Now, I’m going to highly suggest checking out Baker’s course Unautomate Your Finances. It’s awesome, but it’s also dirt cheap. I mean, shit, $17 for an 84-page e-book plus a bunch of interviews, including one with Leo Babauta of ZenHabits? You’ll probably easily save the price of the course in your first month of living “unautomated.”)

But the main reason I’m showing you this now is because this interview was a short version of some much more detailed stuff we got into when I interviewed Baker for that upcoming course I mentioned. So if you like this, you’ll want to sign up to get more updates on that course (and free shit, and discounts), just enter your name and email address below.

I wanted Baker to be a bonus interview on that course (which has a punk rock attitude) because what he’s done with his life is punk as hell. He said fuck authority, fuck consumerism, and fuck everyone else telling us what we should want and how we should live. There are two ways to get closer to your goals. One is to learn skills to move you toward the goals, and the other is to do what Baker did, and find ways to move your goals closer to you.

.Are you heading over to get this thing so that you can unautomate and stop being a financial slave? Because you should unautomate. I have, and it’s sooooo money. (Pun totally intended.)


My partner in crime Lee Stranahan and I will be launching our new course, Question the Rules: The nonconformist’s punk rock, DIY, nuts-and-bolts guide to creating the business and life you really want, starting with what you already have, on Wednesday, April 28.

It’s ridiculously jam-packed: 5 course modules on how to rock your business and life as an entrepreneur who colors outside the lines, and over a dozen interviews with successful rule-breakers whose names you’ll recognize.

If you’re a punk rock entrepreneur (and I know you are), you’ll want to check it out here because we’re offering an immediate free bonus prior to launch day.

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  1. Taylor says:

    Burning this. Putting it in my car to pick up my sister. Two of my favorite people from Southby on one audio file. I will do my best not to run off the road with glee.

  2. I’m with Taylor – it’s something I look forward to listening to on my walk to the grocery store. Except I will be walking, and doing my best not to walk into oncoming traffic. With glee. 😉

    By the way, I love the idea of UNautomating. I think it’s all about being super conscious and not living with your eyes closed shut when it comes to money. Huzzah!

  3. Charon says:


    I did the crappy apartment thing for a long time.

    Nowadays I don’t exactly travel the WORLD, just the lower 48 states. It’s me and Best Beloved (oh, and 2 naked cats) in our vintage 1966 Airstream. I can’t even begin to fully describe to you how it’s reduced our expenses, our dependence on things as well as our debt and improved our lives in general. It truly works.

    I’ll be checking out the link as well for further tips. If we can improve where we already are I’m all for it!

  4. I listened to this sometime last week….and have since bought the UNautomate your Finances ebook!
    This idea hit me like a TON of bricks! I have more than a couple ‘automated’ expenses that pop up each month that I seem to forget about (not sure if I’m dense or just too busy! I’ll go with the latter).

    Forget where I found Baker’s site initially…but love it! I’ve shared the link to it with my non-internet peeps as well (aka family and friends…).

    Would love to hear some more interviews with you.

  5. Johnny says:

    Yeah, I’m beginning to think a lot of what I’ve been conditioned to think and do surrounding finance has been dead wrong. Baker is a role model for me on that… this info rocks.